Like many Staffing Talk readers, I have comments about our stories funneled straight into my inbox. A few comments about this June Obamacare post I wrote Â showed up on Christmas day, and the pace has accelerated with some angst and anger and aggravation today. And some of the comments even had to do with Obamacare. Others, not so much.
Since not everyone subscribes to said comments, I thought I would put up another post here, with a few of the "highlights" as it were.
Just to refresh your memory about the original post, the source I used was the owner of eight staffing agencies of undetermined size who wrote in a business forum how - and why - Obamacare would force him to close his businesses. Hence the provocative headline, "Obamacare Will Force Me To Shut My Doors."
To offer another viewpoint, although not staffing agency specific, I provided a reference to The Washington Post's editorial board who saidÂ in this editorial Obamacare is good news for the court and the country.
And a spirited discussion followed, with people weighing on on the pros and cons of the legislation, and how they think it might impact the nation- and the industry - come 2014.
Then on Christmas, came this comment from someone calling themselves Someone. Staffing agencies are evil, terrorists, and should be put out of business. They are NOTORIOUS for underpaying workers and overcharging their clients.
Staffing agencies are evil, terrorists, and should be put out of business. They are NOTORIOUS for underpaying workers and overcharging their clients.
Staffing Talk and TempWorks owner Gregg Dourgarian replied thusly. hi Someoneâ€¦.why do you write that? what have you seen? in your view is it only staffing businesses that are evil terrorists, or do banks, fast food restaurants, and clothing factories also have a place on your list?
At about that point, a reader by the name ofÂ Cindy Ingram called for staffing agencies to be "shut down" in her words.Â I hope you guys end up on the other side of this thing â€“ see how it feels. ONE HALF of my pay went to the agency. I was TRAPPED in an INDEFINITE temp position (on more than one occasion) â€“ NO INSURANCE â€“ NO TIME TO LOOK FOR OTHER WORK â€“ and the corp using the agency could have paid ME what they paid the temp agency and I could have bought my OWN INSURANCE. AND, I saw people FIRED for nothing â€“ other than to save the agency from paying UI that is.
I was TRAPPED in an INDEFINITE temp position (on more than one occasion) â€“ NO INSURANCE â€“ NO TIME TO LOOK FOR OTHER WORK â€“ and the corp using the agency could have paid ME what they paid the temp agency and I could have bought my OWN INSURANCE.
Here is what Steve8714, a staffing agency owner, said to that. Itâ€™s quite illegal at least here and most everywhere for the agency to take any of your pay.Â We hire people, tell them what theyâ€™ll be paid, match social security and medicare, pay FUTA and SUTA and vacations and holidays, pay Workmensâ€™ comp and give our customers open account. If we shut our doors, you think theyâ€™ll hire the likes of you? Theyâ€™ll move to Mexico to avoid doing that.
Now Cindy Ingram again. You can put sugar on it and call it what you like â€“ I made $17.00 an hour while the agency was PAID $34.00 for each hour I worked. My point was that had the company paid ME $34.00, I could have independently covered all the agency paid. The agency is just a corporate tool. Itâ€™s not the democrats, itâ€™s not the republicans â€“ itâ€™s the corporations that run everything. The â€ścorporate stateâ€ť. So, Iâ€™m not convinced that closing your doors adds any real threat to me that isnâ€™t already there â€“ so donâ€™t worry about itÂ .
I have customers who pay me in 30-45 days while I must make payroll weekly.Â In addition, remember i am not part of a corporation. I am an individual owner as are most staffing service owners, trying to make our own way and build something for my family.
Steve8174: If they paid double for you, either work comp must be horrible in your trade, or people are hard to find in your area.
Thirty-four dollars an hour is what a degreed HVAC engineer with a stamp makes. Would you also pay your own professional liability insurance?Â Also, how would you find that individual work comp policy, and how long would you wait to be paid? I have customers who pay me in 30-45 days while I must make payroll weekly.Â In addition, remember i am not part of a corporation. I am an individual owner as are most staffing service owners, trying to make our own way and build something for my family. The â€śevil corporationsâ€ť control a lot less than does the evil Government.Â Average markups even in skill positions are 40-45%. Please tell me in which city you live so I can open there; I can make a living under 50 employees in your town.
Gregg Dourgarian: Steve this is an excellent point and congrats on running a successful and profitable agency which is the avenue through which many Americans find their way to full time, prosperous employment. Cindy, you seem a lot more intelligent than your political perspective would indicate. Why donâ€™t you go down to your stateâ€™s filing office and form your own corporation and bill your own time out at $34/hr? Then you could fix this huge market disequilibrium yourself by hiring all the other people similarly underpaid? The people who are providing that market disrupting opportunity are in fact staffing company owners whoâ€™ve sacrificed everything to create businesses.
There were a couple of additional comments beyond that last one, but you get the idea.
So as you can see, the conversation pivoted from the pros and cons of Obamacare, to the pros and cons of staffing agencies.
Now that we have this thread going, with 77 comments so far, if you would like to enter the conversation why don't you make your comments at the original post here.